Winners Don't Quit

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W four WN Radio. I got
the time And did you know women represent

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just three percent of Fortune five hundred
CEOs in less than fifteen percent of corporate

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executives at top companies worldwide. Have
you wondered what the secrets are to getting

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into the top ranks, whether in
the private or public sector. Do you

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want to figure out how to stop
being held back in your career? Are

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passed over for promotion, then you're
in the right place. Hi, I'm

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doctor Mattlananne lewis President and CEO of
the Executive Women's Success Institute. I have

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decades of experience in the military,
the federal government, and corporate America,

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and my mission is to help women
succeed and tap into their full potential.

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I want to reach a million plus
women around the world to become the leaders

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they are meant to be. So
if you want to move into a management

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or executive level position, or maybe
you are a female veteran transitioning out of

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the military into business entrepreneurship, then
reach out to the executive Women's Success in

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scat to at three zero one six
nine three three two eighty four. Let

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us get you on the fast track
to success. Well, Hello, and

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welcome to the Success for Women's Show, where you can view us on Talk

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for TV and listen to us on
the Women for Women Network. I am

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doctor Madeline Ann Lewis your host,
and my mission is to help women accelerate

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the path to success. Well.
Today's topic is Winners Never Quit and my

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guest is doctor Pamela R. McCauley. Let me just give you a little

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bit of background about her. Doctor
McCauley internationally recognized in industrial engineering researcher,

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STEM advocate, university leader, seasoned
entrepreneur, innovator, and STEM thought leader.

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As an industrial engineering researcher, she
is known for accomplishments in the development

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of fuzzy set theory based mathematical models, human engineering, ergonomics, bio mechanics,

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as well as engineering leadership and women's
leadership in STEM. She is a

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visionary leader and serves as Dean of
the School of Engineering at Widener University.

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She previously served as the National Science
Foundation Innovation Corps Program Director, professor and

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Director of the Urganics Lab at the
University of Central Florida, and associate deans

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at North Carolina State University, as
well as holding the position of Martin Luther

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King Junior Visiting Associate Professor of Aeronomics, Area Nautics and Astria Astronautics at the

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Massachusetts Institute of Technology. She is
the author of over one hundred and fifty

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technical papers, book chapters, conference
proceedings, and five books, including the

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best selling International Ergonomics textbook Ergonomics Foundational
Principles, Applications and Technologies. Where all

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of that said, I would like
to bring on the show, doctor Pamela

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R. McCauley. Wow, that
was about fault. Thank you, Doctor

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Madline. It's pleasure to be here, a pleasure to have you here to

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talk about some of the things that
you've done. But before we get started.

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I always give the standard bio of
our show guests, but then I

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like to ask that you just tell
us what you want us to know about

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doctor Pamela R. McCauley. Well, sure, wow, Well, I

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thank you for the opportunity to be
a part of your show and for the

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mission of what you're doing in terms
of your efforts to accelerate women and certainly

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we're kindred spirits as it relates to
that, and as far as other things

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that I would like for people to
know about me that I am. I

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feel so fortunate to have had the
career I've had. I've absolutely loved my

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engineering career, and so I have
worked really hard to open the door for

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other women, other people of color
to pursue careers in engineering and all STEM

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areas. Is because and that's something
that doesn't necessarily come across in my bio,

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but that I feel like I've had
a parallel career that's running right along

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with my engineering career, and that's
trying to open the door to the joys

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of a STEM career at the educational
level, the professional level, and even

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innovation and entrepreneurship for others. And
so that's something that is near and dear

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to my heart, and I hope
hopefully that came out in some of the

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things you shared. Wow, you
know what, it was so fascinating to

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actually read your background, your bio. Now that is a feel engineering.

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Are there a lot of women in
that field or is it you know,

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small percentage, that's a small percentage. Only about fifteen percent of engineers are

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practicing and engineers are women, and
the numbers are much smaller for women of

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color. And in fact, today
I'm at a meeting at the National Academies

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National Academies of Engineering, Science and
Medicine on a an action collaborative that is

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focused on that very thing. You
know, how do we enhance the trajectories

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uh for women of color in technology? And so it's a it's a huge

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issue, and it's an issue not
just because we haven't given times when we're

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given access, we don't get the
opportunities for advancement or growth or don't feel

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that sense of belonging in these spaces. So that's that that's also very top

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of mind for me. Wow,
that's fantastic. So what inspired you to

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pursue uh this particular industry and how
did you become a trailblazer in your field.

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Well, thank you. I appreciate
the accolade of trailblazer, but I

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really I have just loved my work. You know. I take you back

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to when I was a little girl
growing up in Oklahoma and on military basis,

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because my dad was in the army. My dad told me I was

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smart, and so I liked and
I loved science, and he told me

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I should be an engineer. And
you know, God blessed my father.

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What black man was telling his little
girl she should be a doctor, you

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know, in the sixties and seventies. But he always made me feel smart

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and like I could do anything.
And I had a wonderful, optimistic mother.

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And I liked I liked science,
and I really enjoyed it. I

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would when we would visit my grandmother
in Spencer, Oklahoma, out in the

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country, we'd i'd prayed, beg
that we begged to see roll away bed

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in the summer months so we could
look up at the stars. And I

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fell in love with the sky and
the stars and the constellations, and so

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science was just always something that was
really interesting to me. And I also

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so my father again told me I
was smart, and so I should be

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a doctor. So I actually started
out as a pre med major, but

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I realized quickly that medicine wasn't my
thing. I really didn't like the sight

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of blood, so sorry. Remember
telling my father. You have a conversation

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with my father about this, and
I said, but and this is what

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I did, Doctor Madeline. I
went to the engineering library because I to

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the library because I knew that I
needed to switch for medicine. But I

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wasn't sure which engineering discipline to switch
to, and so I looked at the

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different engineering disciplines. And industrial engineering, which is what I ultimately chose,

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has the option to study ergonomics,
which is a study of the human in

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the workplace, and biomechanics were looking
at the body as a mechanical system,

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a biological and a mechanical system,
and so that seemed really compatible with what

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I was interested in. So I
chose industrial engineering, and industrial engineers also

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look at processes and efficiency, and
I developed some computer and intelligent computer systems

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throughout my career, so it was
just a perfect match for me. So

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I got my bachelor's and I also, let me tell you this, I

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was a young mother, so I
said, I need to make sure that

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when I get my bachelor's degree,
I can get a good job and be

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paid well. And so I looked
at the salaries, and I mean,

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I was gosh twenty when I was
doing this analysis and picked industrial engineering,

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and I have not looked back.
I'm so so happy that I did.

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And you know, it's amazing because, as you said, being a woman

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of color, it would seem that
you would have kind of gotten off that

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path. So tell us what are
some challenges. There's some significant challenges that

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you face during your journey of becoming
an industrial engineer, and how did you

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you know, how were you able
to overcome? Absolutely? And I've had

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many challenges and I share them freely
with people because as much as I love

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my work and I'm excited about I
don't want people to think that this just

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this was an easy ride, because
when they run into difficulties, I don't

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want them to think that that means
are on the wrong track. Just because

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you have some difficulties, that does
not mean that you don't belong. That

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does not mean that you are on
the wrong track. And so some know

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some of my issues, you know, even I'll go back to the educational

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issues I graduated from Frederick Douglas High
School in Oklahoma City, and I was

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actually sixteen years old, So I
graduated from high school early. But I

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didn't have the math preparation and some
of the scientific preparation. So I went

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to community college. Thank God,
I went to community college, and at

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community college, I was able to
get up to speed. And I remember

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God blessed my high school math teacher
everyon went back and she tutored me in

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her classroom when I was at community
college. And so I think one of

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the things that I have learned I
learned to do early was to ask for

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help. You know. Oftentimes when
we have challenges, we feel like,

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you know, we just need to
try to figure it out, you know,

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or I should be able to handle
this, but ask for help.

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People want to be there to support
you when you have a dream or vision

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that you're willing to work toward.
So I got my associate degree, and

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then at that point, you know, again the challenges from an educational staff

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were just really preparedness. So I
encourage folks who think they might be interested

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in engineering, but they may not
have had the math or the science courses

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that you would need to jump right
into a bachelor's program to look at community

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colleges, so getting that associate degree
because and then getting that associate degree that

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can help you get up to speed. And then many institutions, many universities

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also have bridge programs where students can
come in in the summer and take preparate

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preparatory courses and help them prepare.
So that's from an educational standpoint, those

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are some of my challenges. But
getting the help and then just work in

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good old fashioned hard work and listen, they got resources today. We had

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to pull out books and problem solvers. They have solutions on YouTube, people

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teaching you how to solve problems,
so you use, again, use all

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of those resources. So those are
some of the challenges that I had and

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going to the University of Oklahoma.
Fortunately we had a minority engineering program where

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that really gave us that sense of
belonging because there were many other minority students

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there who were my classmates and we
really supported each other. That's great information,

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especially I love the part where you
talk about where you went to community

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college, and I think that's an
interesting point to bring forth because you may

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have a lot of individuals, especially
young ladies, who might want to go

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into that field, but never gave
it a thought that they could go to

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community college and get some book that. So that is definitely something that you

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know, needs to be put out
there so that they'll know you don't just

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have to go to a top college, you know, uh, you know,

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find the biggest college that you can
find, or what you feel is

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the most prestigious or whatever to get
into engineering program you can you can,

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So that is at Wow, I
didn't I did not know that. So

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that is information for me to have
under my hat too. Absolutely, And

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I even go step further, I
say, you will all talk here about

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the STEM crisis, how we need
so many more STEM professionals in this country,

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particularly as we see the evolution of
new technologies like AI. We're also

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starting to see you know, more
innovations and technology in terms of product development,

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and so we do need those STEM
professionals. But I have long said

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that community colleges and relationships between the
community colleges and universities, that that is

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going to be the key to us
really growing and addressing our growing STEM needs

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as a nation. And over fifty
percent, over fifty two percent of STEM

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jobs actually can be obtained with an
associate degree or less. So people often

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think to be a STAM professional you
have to have a bachelor's degree of master's

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And while that's fine if that's the
path you choose, there are very solid

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needed STEM careers with an associate degree, and so I really encourage folks to

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look at that. And of course, if you want to become an engineer,

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you wouldn't need to ultimately continue on
to the university and get a bachelor's

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degree. But the rewards are immense. I mean, the average starting salaries,

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depending on the discipline, range from
seventy to eighty five thousand dollars a

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year with a bachelor's degree, and
so it's really something that I encourage folks

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to think about, and it's a
great career and many of our young folks.

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I love when I graduated, when
I got my doctor degree, you

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know, you went to work for
someone or you went to work for a

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national lab. But I love that
many of my students are starting businesses,

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doctor Madeline. They are starting businesses
right after they finish or during their PhD

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program and launching into these successful enterprises. And so there's so and there's so

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many resources that are available. So
I as you can see, I am

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sold on stand and really want more
and more people to take advantage of the

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rig and talking about it, I
could hear how passionate you are about it,

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and you know it's it's good to
know because another thing is when you

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talk about engineering, I mean you're
in industrial engineering, but engineering has so

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many areas. As you said,
you had to decide which that you wanted

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to you know, focus on,
and there's so many areas of engineering that

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they can go into and not an
another thing too to be aware of and

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the you know, the community college
can also help them to prepare them or

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to decide that also. You know, hey, you started off, you

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said, with your medical and you
thought, well this is not for me.

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I want to you know, try. But when you got into the

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engineering then you had to decide which, you know, which area you wanted

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to focus on exactly exactly, And
you're right, there's so many different engineering

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disciplines. You know, from aerospace
engineering you shared that I was a visiting

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faculty member at MIT and the Aeronautics
and Astronautics department, and so that that's

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certainly an exciting area. There's mechanical
engineering, there's civil engineering. You know,

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there's also computer science, which oftentimes
is in engineering programs or computer engineering.

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So and what we taught we're taught
as engineers is that we're problem solvers.

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So if you're a person who wants
to solve problems, you are cut

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out to be an engineer. And
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And then we're we're we teach the
engineering problem solving approach, So we

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teach people how to use science to
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who doesn't want to make the world
better by solving some problems? And

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don't we have enough of the challenges
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diverse thoughts, diversity of thought, We

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need people with diverse experiences coming to
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these problems. So again, it's
just a great career and it's been uh,

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you know, there have been times
many times when I was the only

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one, only only black person,
only woman, certainly only woman of color.

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well for me were aligning with my
professional societies, finding other women who were

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in different states, Yes, building
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that that has been a lifeline throughout
my career. And that's another thing that

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I always emphasized the women. You
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you know, you said in your
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the room and you're the only one
in that room that looked like you.

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that you have support, you know, somewhere else that you can go to

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when you need that, and that
that is so key. So tell us

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how do you stay ahead of the
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you've done so much you you you
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technical papers and chapters, and you
know you have a best selling books.

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edge in this what is we do
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how do you stay ahead of the
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think one of the things that's been
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networking, attending conferences, building those
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the things that are the new technologies
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then also talking to people to understand
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are. And then that has helped
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so these problems need to be solved, these are some of the challenges.

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knows everything. So having those good
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what I the knowledge I have is
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having a conversation with someone. And
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staying ahead of the curve and really
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needs are. And you know,
good old fashioned reading and today, I

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mean, we have your Google alerts, you know, for my discipline,

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I have Google alerts, so I
get updates on things, you know,

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new things that are taking place and
new ideas and so really just you know,

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networking, trying to stay on top
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the problems that people every day are
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we've got what the United Nations Sustainable
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the US Department of State and in
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and traveled to Bangkok, and I
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how to introduce innovation into the HIV
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as industrial engineers as we study process
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ergonomics, I'm focused on people at
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so it was it was a natural
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you know, understanding at what point
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had I not talked to folks who
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delivery process. You know that my
skill set could be so valuable in these

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places. And I've said many times
before and of course these are they wanted

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to look at how to do this
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may not have all the resources that
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yet they have the challenge that they're
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AIDS, and we're expecting a huge
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there was a concern around that as
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was never more aware of the impact
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that were small changes. Small changes
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of or hundred of thousands of people. And so just understanding how to introduce

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innovation in a manner that is applicable
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is just my engineering knowledge and to
see how it could impact it was.

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It was so powerful for me to
see that. And so when people tell

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me, oh, I don't want
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I want to do things that matter, want to change people's lives, I

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was like, well, honey,
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Engineers are changing people's lives every day. Absolutely, yes, that that would

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be a major I would say something
major accomplishment because going into a lot of

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times into those you always could you
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lot of times you I actually,
as you were speaking about it, I

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was surprised to hear like you said
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would need you know, that technology, they would want to or they would

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have developed that type of technology to
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all that they can and to bring
someone else in in your industry to help

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them improve it even more. But
that's that's actually very good to know that

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that they have the technology and they
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to pull you know, other resources
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this is what this was done through

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the as I mentioned, the US
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President's Emergency Program for AIDS Relief or
the pep FAR Office. And so these

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are dollars that the US is investing
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these countries and just to support them. And so and when when looking at

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how to introduce technology, I did
have to be mindful of the differences in

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these nations and the US, you
know, and if the solution I came

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up with, you know, are
they going to have enough power? Are

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they going to have access to the
internet? And so we're starting to see

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a lot of growth and changes.
So again, it was just so rewarding

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to be able to be a part
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imagine. Wow. So tell us
or can you highlight any key, a

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key strategy or decision that contributed to
your success in doing all of this?

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And your success I call you a
trailblazer, and I do really feel that

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that is what you are. So
what has contributed? Can you highlight something

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that has contributed to that success?
Sure? Absolutely. I think the biggest

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thing, Doctor Madeline has been not
being afraid to do new and different things.

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I graduated from Frederick Douglas High School,

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so you know, I'm first generation
college student. Some of my cousins

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when I told them I was going
to go to the University of Oklahoma,

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They're like, you know, why
would you go down there? But that

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was the only you know, there
are only two engineering schools. That was

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the closest engineering school to me.
And so not being afraid to look at

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different things and go into different places
where you might be the only person who

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looks like you. And so I
think that's been a big part of it,

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that, you know, just that
willingness to eat And even if I

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was afraid, I still did it. You know, you you still if

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you see this as an opportunity that
it can better, you can better your

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situation, something that can move you
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It's okay to be scared, but
you can do it. Anyway you can

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still do it, you know,
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I mentioned before, reaching out and
asking for help, and then I'm a

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I'm a big believer in mentoring.
I've been blessed to have wonderful mentors,

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and so I would talk to people
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to do, whether it's starting an
engineering business or becoming a professor, or

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you know, traveling internationally to work
with the State Department. You know,

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I've had great mentors that I talked
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years to even today, and so
it's it's been a joyful ride. But

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I wasn't the only one moving this
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I've been so blessed and again that
you know, not not not letting fear

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stop me, you know, going
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people, asking for help and and
getting you know, good mentoring and good

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guidance has just been priceless as far
as my career. Wow, I can

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see that, I mean from some
of the things that you have done and

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you know, the things that you've
created and help to implement. So I

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can definitely see that what has been
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trends or developments you see shaping your
industry in the coming years. Wow,

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well there's a few. I mean
obviously everyone is concerned about artificial intelligence.

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understanding how AI and human interaction as
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to be a research area that we
really need to continue studying. Also,

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the mobile technology and access to all
of this mobile technology and Internet of things.

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You know, everything is connected to
the internet. Really understanding how that

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impacts the user users who are on
devices all the time. I have a

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I also do expert witnessing, and
I you know, there's a case where

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the person's distracted. So people are
distracted and walking with cell phones and walking

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into streets and getting into or falling
right, So understand, you know,

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how do we design these devices so
that they can be sensitive to what's going

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on with a person and then then
begin to respond. You know. One

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example is, you know, if
you're driving your car and you pick up

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your cell phone you try to text, it will say or some of some

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of the phones will say you know
not or put a little sign up do

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not text while while driving because the
technology sensing that you're moving that too.

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anything that any system that the human has

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to interact with could be under a
research area, you know, within ergonomics

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or human engineering or human factors.
And so the list is so long because

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technology is moving so quickly. I
mean, we have seen such a compression

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of the innovation and product development life
cycle and so now we think of an

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idea and six months later we have
prototypes and so, you know, and

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then we're perfecting it and we're getting
these products out here, but we haven't

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really evaluated how humans interact with them. So there's a huge need for continued

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research in this space to understand,
understand, also to enhance use, but

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more importantly, to make sure that
these things are handled in a safe manner.

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I have decided I need to learn
more about the you know AI and what

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I mean, there is and we're
having to deal with this in the academic

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environment, you know. As dean
of engineering, I'm concerned that my students

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are not cheating that they're actually writing
the papers and learning the material. It's

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what you want. I I was
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ask this thing to write a whole program

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for the link. Just tell them
what they want. They write the whole

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curriculum and all that I mean,
and go in and tweak it a little

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bit if they want. It's fascinating. So the good part of this,

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though, is it can help us
be much more productive. You know,

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inte, you're talking about a teacher. If you know, if you're a

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teacher and you've got seven classes you're
teaching, and so you need to get

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your lesson planing ready quickly. So
it could be something wonderful to help you

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get that lesson plan ready. And
as you said, then you tweak it.

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as some culturally relevant examples for your

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students, and so so you have
greed created your course material probably in one

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fourth time that it would normally take
you to do so. So so those

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are wonderful things. And even problem
solving sometimes you know how to solve problem

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you don't even have time for One
of my expert witness cases the other day,

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I needed to determine how a person
who was hit by a car,

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how they would fall, if they
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fall to the site, because that's
again biomechanics. So I told Chad GPTs,

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I said, I said, please
calculate the center of gravity for a

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woman who's this height and this X, Y and z, and it gave

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the center of gravity. So I
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Now I know how to do that
myself, but it was it's wonderful when

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it's used properly, and that you
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fine line that we're we're going to
have to learn to walk because it's wonderful

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in many ways, and we want
to allow and equip and educate our students

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and our employees on how to use
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manner. That said, we have
to be very careful that we are putting

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those guidelines in place, and I
think the White House just put some additional

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guidelines. I mean everyone's looking at
it, from the White House to the

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academic communities and workplaces. So it's
so it's that's going to be something that

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will be working on for many years
to come as far as I can see.

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such a you know, it's it's

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out there and you know it's out
there, and of course you I feel,

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you know, being in business,
I have to you know, figure

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out how it works. I mean
I don't I don't think I need to

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be an expert in it, but
I think I need to understand it absolutely.

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you know, I need to figure

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out is this something that I really
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or what I'm doing. And so
that's that's one of the things that I

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have been looking at as far as
exploring it to see how helpful it'll be,

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you know, for making, like
you said, making my life easy.

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to calculate the center gravity doc Madaline,

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but when I asked her to calculate
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something else, by the time it
had the center graphy calculated, I put

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my put the information in there and
solved the problem in less than half the

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time. Yeah. See that that
that helps, that that helps to know

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that. So I definitely I'm definitely
gonna make that a priority. Yeah,

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I need to figure out this thing
and and really get into it now.

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So tell me. I know I
mentioned in when I was reading your bio

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that you are dean right now.
A school of engineering is at Widener Universe

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University, So tell us how do
you foster a culture of creativity and innovation

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within your organization? Well, and
that's something that I'm glad you asked me

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that, because that's something that's really
important to me. I think one of

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the best ways to create that foster
that culture of creativity and innovation is to

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build it around needs. People are
much more willing to solve a problem if

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they feel like it meets a need, it addresses a societal issue, it

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is going to help make life better
for someone, and that's very easy to

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do in engineering. So really building
around and then of course even in engineering

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education, when I talk to my
faculty members or my leadership team about making

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sure that the things we do are
designed to make it easier for our students

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to do well, are able to
easier for them to acquire an understanding apply

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the material in a more efficient manner. So people are more likely in my

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experience, to be innovative and creative
and resourceful when they feel like what they're

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doing is really going to have an
impact on a situation, individuals, or

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even a community then and that's sort
of a different perspective. Maybe then some

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technical professionals would take. But I
found that to be so much more effective

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because then at that point, then
the next thing I say is collaborate.

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So collaborations. When I've got my
doctor degree in ninety three, people were

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looking to be the loan researcher who's
going to save the world, and those

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days are very, very long gone. Today it's about quality, substantive collaborative

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relationships. Because we have I mentioned
the compression of the innovation and product development

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life cycle. Well, there are
multiple disciplines, multiple backgrounds that are needed

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when you start talking about innovation and
really solving a problem. So having those

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good collaborators that you can come together
with and share your ideas in brainstorm to

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get to solution is just essential.
And we've seen that people get to solution

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much more quickly when they have these
substantive collaborations. Not just two people say

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we're going to work together. I'll
go to my office of work, you

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go into years of work and we'll
talk in two weeks. No actually looking

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at the problem, looking at where
to apply the industrial engineering or the mechanical

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engineering expertise you know, or where
do we need social science expertise as a

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relations to solving this problem? And
so really having those good collaborations that are

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focused on meeting needs, addressing challenges
that has been very effective for me and

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keeping people interested in innovating and being
creative. That is great, that is

446
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phenomenal. So tell us if you
had one piece of advice that you would

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leave with our viewers and our listeners, especially to maybe motivate someone who wants

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to get into the engineering field,
what would that advice be. I'm going

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to borrow Nike's phrase, just do
it us do it. We need you,

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We need you in these engineering field, we need you in other stamp

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disciplines. And believe me, it
is probably easier to enter than you think.

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You mentioned the community college. Start
a community college, you know,

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most community colleges have an open door, open enrollment policy. You know,

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you can you don't have to be
accepted, you can just enroll UH and

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then talk to people, talk to
the counselors, you know, UH,

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academic advisors, talk to people about
your ideas, and do a Google,

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you know, do a Google search. You know what are some if you

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like playing video games? You know
what are some fun careers for people who

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enjoy playing video games? Maybe you
should be building video games and getting paid.

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Okay, you know, you know, if you really enjoy helping people,

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you know, we used to think
that was only social science or nursing

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disciplines. You know that's not the
case at all. You could become a

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biomechanical engineering design prosthetic devices for children
to run who don't have legs, and

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so really understand, just do it
and don't be afraid. And I'm gonna

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say this, if you are afraid, do it anyway. Yes, absolutely,

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any way. The rewards so outweigh
the fear and the challenges. The

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00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:29.440
rewards are immense. And I want
so much, so very much to see

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more of pursuing, succeeding and enjoying
careers in engineering, because again, we

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are desperately needed in this space.
Absolutely so. Tell us if someone wanted

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to get in touch with you to
maybe ask you some questions for you to

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maybe give them a couple of tips, a couple of pointers on your industry,

472
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.079
your field, how can they reach
out to you? Oh, I'm

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easy to find. You can reach
me at my university email It's just pr

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00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.480
McCauley at Widner dot EEDU or go
to the university website you can see my

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00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.559
contact information there. You can also
contact me on LinkedIn and I also have

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00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.639
course on an engineering business that has
transformed your STEM career, so you can

477
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.079
put in a question fill in the
forum there. So I'm really easy to

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00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.000
find and would love to connect with
folks, offer any insights that I can

479
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:29.000
to support anyone on their journey.
Oh and real quick, I don't want

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to go without letting you tell us
how they can get your book, which

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00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:38.840
is winners never you know how they
can do. If you go online and

482
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.960
go online, they can get it. Or they can send an inquiry directly

483
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.039
through my business and I will get
them to our point of contact who handles

484
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.920
that. So would love that and
would love to And part of the reason

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I wrote that book, docor Methlant, I would go and talk to students

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at high schools. This is right
after I finished my bachelor's de and I

487
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.719
was ingredul and people would say,
gosh, I wish my son or my

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00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.559
daughter were here, my cousin were
here, and so I thought, well,

489
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I'm never going to be able to
make it to talk to everybody.

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So I wrote that book because I
wanted to share the challenges that I had

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as an undergraduate student and those difficulties, and yet I was able to not

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only get my bachelor's degree, but
then win a huge fellowship and pay my

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master's and doctor degree. And the
message is so can you. And it's

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then we have so many more resources
today so they can reach out directly to

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00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.039
us or get online and be happy
to help them get a copy of that.

496
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.840
Thank you so much. And you
said just what this show is all

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about. If you did it,
everybody could do it. And that's what

498
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.719
I with this show. You know, don't think that because you know she

499
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.800
did it and it was a piece
of cake, because like you said,

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it wasn't it. But you have
to stick with it if you're absolutely like

501
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.119
the book said, winners never requit. So thank you so much, doctor

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00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:08.679
McCully for being here. Appreciate nuggets
that you shared with us, And I

503
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.800
just can't thank you enough for giving
us some information that, like I said,

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00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:19.880
some of it I didn't even know. So definitely appreciate you taking time

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00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.320
out of the busy schedule to be
here and just let us know if there's

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00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.599
anything reach out, let me know
if there's anything that's coming up that you

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00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.800
want us to make an announcement on
that. Can you know, help your

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00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.719
program or help what you're doing in
any way, be glad to do so.

509
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.599
Thank you, Thank you, that's
so kind of you. Appreciate that.

510
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:45.360
Thank you. So here are some
upcoming events that you can where you

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00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:51.519
can find me, and some things
that are going on. Again, make

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sure that you get your copy of
the Own It anthology It's Your Life,

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00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:01.480
Own It Unapologetically and the journal three
h hundred and sixty five days to transformation.

514
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:09.199
To pre order the paperback book and
the journal separately will be twenty four

515
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:15.480
ninety nine each for each book.
To order the complete set is forty nine

516
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.599
ninety nine. To order your copies, you can email me at info at

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00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:29.360
EXWSI dot com or you can go
to my website www dot EXWSI dot com.

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00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:36.760
The next Business Black Business Olympics is
coming up soon. It's going to

519
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.559
be December eighteenth through the twenty December
twenty fourth, and as you know,

520
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:47.960
the Black Business Olympics is a fundraiser
to provide scholarships and laptops to high school

521
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:55.119
seniors going to college and k through
twelve entrepreneurs. The Black Business Olympics showcases

522
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:01.800
black businesses, black business owners and
corporate rations all around the world, and

523
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:07.360
if you want to be a speaker
to showcase your business, you can email

524
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:15.880
me at info at EXWSI dot com. Also coming up on the horizon is

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00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:22.880
the which is January twenty fifth through
the twenty seventh of twenty twenty four is

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00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.199
my Show Up to Rise Up Women's
Virtual Summit. To find out more about

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00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.519
the event or to be a speaker
at the Show Up to Rise Up Virtual

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00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:39.480
Summit, you can email me at
info at exw SI dot com. And

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we're also going to be starting a
Show Up to Rise Up Women's Network and

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the mission of the women's Show Up
to Rise Up Network will be to empower

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and connect women all around the world
in their career, business, professional and

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00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:04.440
personal lives by how helping them to
gain the resources needed buying power, increase

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00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:12.280
their revenue, and to accelerate their
personal business and career growth through opportunities that

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00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.039
they will be able to find through
the network. As a member, you

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have access to coaching, training,
events, workshops, resources, networking opportunities

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00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:30.039
and much much more. And of
course I will be doing my Show Up

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00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.599
to Rise Up Women's retreat in twenty
twenty four, so for the details on

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00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.639
that, make sure you contact me. If you're interested in joining us in

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00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.440
twenty twenty four, you can email
me at info at EXWSI dot com.

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00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.440
And as you know, I have
to put it out there, make sure

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that you bow my TEDx talk that
I did in Vancouver, Canada. The

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00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.559
topic of course is show Up to
Rise Up, and you can watch it

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00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.840
on YouTube. To watch it,
you can go and on YouTube put in

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00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.880
my name in the search box,
doctor Madeline and Lewis and it will come

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00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.920
right up. You can also if
you prefer to email me directly for the

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link, you can do so email
me at info at EXWSI dot com and

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00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.840
I will send you the link.
I am excited because the video is still

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00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.880
moving out there. It's at one
hundred and ninety three thousand, eight hundred

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00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.840
and ninety views. As you know, I'm pushing for a million plus,

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00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:43.960
So keep watching, keep sharing,
keep commenting, and I want to thank

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00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.559
all of you in advance that have
supported the video so far, who has

552
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.840
shared it, and who have made
their comments. I am also a contributing

553
00:45:52.920 --> 00:46:00.000
writer for on It magazine, where
I share nuggets and resources every month.

554
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.280
Own It Magazine is a resource for
personal and professional and business development. So

555
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.000
if you'd like to get a subscription
to on It Magazine, you can go

556
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:17.039
to my website www dot e x
w SI dot com and there's a link

557
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:23.440
on there if you want to get
a and your membership. If you'd like

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00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.440
to get a copy of the a
digital copy of it, you can email

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00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:35.400
me so that you can see it
at info at e x w SI dot

560
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.519
com. Again, I would like
to thank my guests, doctor Pamela R.

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00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.960
McCully, and my viewers and my
listeners for joining me today. This

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has been the success for women's show. I'm doctor Madelinie and Lewis and as

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00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.639
you know, if you'd like to
reach out to me, you can email

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00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:59.800
me at any time at info at
e x w SI dot com or go

565
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:07.000
to my website www dot exwsi dot
com and while you're there, make sure

566
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you download my free three part video
series on three things every woman should do

567
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:20.760
to position herself for executive leadership.
You can also reach out to me on

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00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.960
any of the social media sites I
am at on all of them. Make

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sure that you subscribe to our YouTube
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those, and make sure that you
like and share this episode with others.

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00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.639
We had some great nuggets today from
our guest doctor Pamela R. McCully,

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so make sure that you share this
episode to let others that may want to

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00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:58.320
get in the engineering field know how
they can possibly do that. Again,

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this is this successful women's show.
We are here every week at two pm

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00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:09.679
Eastern Standard time. I am your
host, doctor Madeline and Lewis helping women

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00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.960
to accelerate the path to success.
Thank you again for joining us. I

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love you all to life and as
always, be well and stay safe out

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there. I got the time